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		<title>Comment on Learn You a Flexbox for Great Good! by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.the-haystack.com/2012/01/04/learn-you-a-flexbox/comment-page-1/#comment-186444</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zoe: Relatively few things are a &lt;strong&gt;major failing&lt;/strong&gt;, and using letters in a demo certainly isn&#039;t one of them. This is not boilerplate code.

I really don&#039;t understand your explanation within the context of the newest version of the spec. Are we talking about the same thing? This post is based on the draft per 29 November 2011; I doubt that is the version you researched for your book.

I suspect that the confusion here is related to the issue Niloy refers to in his comment, which is actually a non-issue.

I hope you&#039;re describing the &lt;strong&gt;older&lt;/strong&gt; version of the spec, as your explanation does fit with that one. If you &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; referring to the version I&#039;ve written about here, perhaps you could clarify what you mean for the readers of this post. &lt;em&gt;Intrinsic width&lt;/em&gt; is &lt;strong&gt;not once&lt;/strong&gt; mentioned in the new spec, so your discussion of it might be confusing to some.

I appreciate your feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zoe: Relatively few things are a <strong>major failing</strong>, and using letters in a demo certainly isn&#8217;t one of them. This is not boilerplate code.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t understand your explanation within the context of the newest version of the spec. Are we talking about the same thing? This post is based on the draft per 29 November 2011; I doubt that is the version you researched for your book.</p>
<p>I suspect that the confusion here is related to the issue Niloy refers to in his comment, which is actually a non-issue.</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re describing the <strong>older</strong> version of the spec, as your explanation does fit with that one. If you <em>are</em> referring to the version I&#8217;ve written about here, perhaps you could clarify what you mean for the readers of this post. <em>Intrinsic width</em> is <strong>not once</strong> mentioned in the new spec, so your discussion of it might be confusing to some.</p>
<p>I appreciate your feedback.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Learn You a Flexbox for Great Good! by Niloy Mondal</title>
		<link>http://www.the-haystack.com/2012/01/04/learn-you-a-flexbox/comment-page-1/#comment-186437</link>
		<dc:creator>Niloy Mondal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 05:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya lolz, tell me about it, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=109105

From the reply I got here, the new flex box works as most people expected it would (distribution of width), hopefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya lolz, tell me about it, <a href="http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=109105" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=109105</a></p>
<p>From the reply I got here, the new flex box works as most people expected it would (distribution of width), hopefully.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Learn You a Flexbox for Great Good! by Zoe Gillenwater</title>
		<link>http://www.the-haystack.com/2012/01/04/learn-you-a-flexbox/comment-page-1/#comment-186409</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe Gillenwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great tutorial overall. However, a major failing is that the demo has only a single character in each box, which has the great problem of perpetuating the most major misunderstanding of flexbox: that the flex property applies the extra space relative to the width of the container, rather than the intrinsic/default widths of the boxes themselves. Your text explains it correctly (thank you! everyone gets this wrong!) but the demo doesn&#039;t make this clear because each box has the same amount of content and thus same intrinsic width.  

A much more helpful, realistic demo would have varying amounts of content in each box so that they each have different intrinsic widths. Readers would then see that the first and last boxes aren&#039;t necessarily twice as wide as the middle box. This is something that&#039;s essential for us all to understand. It even took me by surprise when I was researching it and writing about it in my book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stunningcss3.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stunning CSS3&lt;/a&gt;. The spec isn&#039;t intuitive here, unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great tutorial overall. However, a major failing is that the demo has only a single character in each box, which has the great problem of perpetuating the most major misunderstanding of flexbox: that the flex property applies the extra space relative to the width of the container, rather than the intrinsic/default widths of the boxes themselves. Your text explains it correctly (thank you! everyone gets this wrong!) but the demo doesn&#8217;t make this clear because each box has the same amount of content and thus same intrinsic width.  </p>
<p>A much more helpful, realistic demo would have varying amounts of content in each box so that they each have different intrinsic widths. Readers would then see that the first and last boxes aren&#8217;t necessarily twice as wide as the middle box. This is something that&#8217;s essential for us all to understand. It even took me by surprise when I was researching it and writing about it in my book <a href="http://www.stunningcss3.com" rel="nofollow">Stunning CSS3</a>. The spec isn&#8217;t intuitive here, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>Comment on There is no Mobile Web by Stevie D</title>
		<link>http://www.the-haystack.com/2011/01/07/there-is-no-mobile-web/comment-page-1/#comment-186389</link>
		<dc:creator>Stevie D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two reasons why I don&#039;t think that &quot;one web&quot; is *always* the way to go. One is speed, the other is function.

There are lots of good reasons _for_ &quot;one web&quot;. Mobile devices are becoming ever more capable, mobile networks are becoming faster, and mobile browsing is becoming ever more common. From that point of view, the difference in user experience between mobile browsing and desktop browsing is diminishing. Many mobile browsers ignore media=&quot;handheld&quot; and use the regular CSS. With media-queries, we can make one single website that will redraw itself to fit any size display with a suitable layout. Having just one version of a website means no code forking, it means no duplicate content, it means much less work for webbies to maintain two separate sites.

But...

While that&#039;s true for a lot of sites, it doesn&#039;t hold for all, and particularly it doesn&#039;t always hold for large sites. It works for a site like this one, which is lean and simple and has essentially just one function. But for larger and more complex sites, there are two factors that mitigate against.

1 - Function. A lot of people do distinguish between online things they&#039;ll do from a mobile, and things they would prefer to do from a PC. For example, I would hate to type a long reply like this in using my mobile, because it would take about an hour. Complex spatial work is best done on a big screen with a mouse. But other tasks are particularly suited to people who are on the move with just a few minutes to dip in and out. That&#039;s particularly true for travel industries (when people are literally on the move and need to check travel plans) and physical retail. Offering a dedicated mobile version of the site that prioritises those features can make a huge difference to people&#039;s experience and success rates.

2 - Speed. While mobile browsing has got better, it often still lags a long way behind desktop PCs on a broadband connection. Heavy websites with complex designs and lots of scripts and images are a PITA on most mobile browsers. While media-queries can alter the display, they can&#039;t so easily stop you from needing to download massive jQuery libraries and the like. Offering a stripped down version of the site that leaves out this incidental cruft can compensate for the much slower mobile browsing experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two reasons why I don&#8217;t think that &#8220;one web&#8221; is *always* the way to go. One is speed, the other is function.</p>
<p>There are lots of good reasons _for_ &#8220;one web&#8221;. Mobile devices are becoming ever more capable, mobile networks are becoming faster, and mobile browsing is becoming ever more common. From that point of view, the difference in user experience between mobile browsing and desktop browsing is diminishing. Many mobile browsers ignore media=&#8221;handheld&#8221; and use the regular CSS. With media-queries, we can make one single website that will redraw itself to fit any size display with a suitable layout. Having just one version of a website means no code forking, it means no duplicate content, it means much less work for webbies to maintain two separate sites.</p>
<p>But&#8230;</p>
<p>While that&#8217;s true for a lot of sites, it doesn&#8217;t hold for all, and particularly it doesn&#8217;t always hold for large sites. It works for a site like this one, which is lean and simple and has essentially just one function. But for larger and more complex sites, there are two factors that mitigate against.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; Function. A lot of people do distinguish between online things they&#8217;ll do from a mobile, and things they would prefer to do from a PC. For example, I would hate to type a long reply like this in using my mobile, because it would take about an hour. Complex spatial work is best done on a big screen with a mouse. But other tasks are particularly suited to people who are on the move with just a few minutes to dip in and out. That&#8217;s particularly true for travel industries (when people are literally on the move and need to check travel plans) and physical retail. Offering a dedicated mobile version of the site that prioritises those features can make a huge difference to people&#8217;s experience and success rates.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; Speed. While mobile browsing has got better, it often still lags a long way behind desktop PCs on a broadband connection. Heavy websites with complex designs and lots of scripts and images are a PITA on most mobile browsers. While media-queries can alter the display, they can&#8217;t so easily stop you from needing to download massive jQuery libraries and the like. Offering a stripped down version of the site that leaves out this incidental cruft can compensate for the much slower mobile browsing experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When a client won&#8217;t pay by Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a lawyer, so I would always advise you to find a good one and ask them for advice. It could be that trying to get the money you&#039;re owed will cost more than the amount due. Your lawyer can advise you on this and more. In my case, I ended up hiring a lawyer and having to pay them as well as never getting the money I was owed (the client had covered his tracks with all kinds of legal tricks). Small consolation: he never got the site—although he did hire someone to try and make a design that looked somewhat like ours. I doubt that firm ever got paid, either.

Just be careful and get legal support if you&#039;re not willing to just cut your losses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, so I would always advise you to find a good one and ask them for advice. It could be that trying to get the money you&#8217;re owed will cost more than the amount due. Your lawyer can advise you on this and more. In my case, I ended up hiring a lawyer and having to pay them as well as never getting the money I was owed (the client had covered his tracks with all kinds of legal tricks). Small consolation: he never got the site—although he did hire someone to try and make a design that looked somewhat like ours. I doubt that firm ever got paid, either.</p>
<p>Just be careful and get legal support if you&#8217;re not willing to just cut your losses.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When a client won&#8217;t pay by Some Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a client, a big fashion brand.  They asked me to develop something for them.  So I did,  and worked in a tight deadline.  I got about 90% done and had to stop the job because of a family emergency.  Now they said they used my budget to pay another developer to finish the job.  I said I don&#039;t care, pay me for the hours that I worked.  We are going back and forth now.

Should I get a lawyer?  I am angry because these guys screwed me many times before with their tight budgets... And underpaid me many times.  I don&#039;t want to let this go,  and want to squeeze the last penny from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a client, a big fashion brand.  They asked me to develop something for them.  So I did,  and worked in a tight deadline.  I got about 90% done and had to stop the job because of a family emergency.  Now they said they used my budget to pay another developer to finish the job.  I said I don&#8217;t care, pay me for the hours that I worked.  We are going back and forth now.</p>
<p>Should I get a lawyer?  I am angry because these guys screwed me many times before with their tight budgets&#8230; And underpaid me many times.  I don&#8217;t want to let this go,  and want to squeeze the last penny from them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A gentle introduction to CSS3 Flexible Box Module (Part 1) by kutlay</title>
		<link>http://www.the-haystack.com/2010/01/23/css3-flexbox-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-181672</link>
		<dc:creator>kutlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 11:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, now i don&#039;t know how i&#039;ll prepare it, if someone have idea, they can help me please. how can i transform this code for opera?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, now i don&#8217;t know how i&#8217;ll prepare it, if someone have idea, they can help me please. how can i transform this code for opera?</p>
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		<title>Comment on A gentle introduction to CSS3 Flexible Box Module (Part 1) by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.the-haystack.com/2010/01/23/css3-flexbox-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-181636</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 12:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No. I&#039;m afraid Opera does not yet support flexbox. For browser support, see http://caniuse.com/#feat=flexbox&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. I&#8217;m afraid Opera does not yet support flexbox. For browser support, see <a href="http://caniuse.com/#feat=flexbox" rel="nofollow">http://caniuse.com/#feat=flexbox</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on A gentle introduction to CSS3 Flexible Box Module (Part 1) by kutlay</title>
		<link>http://www.the-haystack.com/2010/01/23/css3-flexbox-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-181633</link>
		<dc:creator>kutlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 11:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi all,
i am a trainer in a big electronic firm, i have a project and i need your help. could you tell me how i can use them in opera?
&quot;for example: display: box&quot; is it valid in opera?
thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi all,<br />
i am a trainer in a big electronic firm, i have a project and i need your help. could you tell me how i can use them in opera?<br />
&#8220;for example: display: box&#8221; is it valid in opera?<br />
thank you</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cool tool: Opera Notes by some dood</title>
		<link>http://www.the-haystack.com/2010/04/13/opera-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-181242</link>
		<dc:creator>some dood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theres an app for Android as well, &quot;Opera Notes&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theres an app for Android as well, &#8220;Opera Notes&#8221;</p>
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